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Loyalty to the truth

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at bokstudy yesterday , we talk of the diffrent things gb say, and who we must stand to this.. i tell that they are only peopel and have make some misstaks, as we can se , fore exampel in the proclaimers book, well the study leader say, we must shoe loyality to the gb, even iif it later show upp to bee wrong, it is very importat that we follow what they say.. this is a ver difficult area, ofcourse in our religion we can not have 6 million diffretn wuies, but if we follow evry word very carefull, are we then not follow man?.

what about if they say something who take your life, and later change this, who is responsibel, or even worse our kidds, who are resposibel if they die on such polyci, like the transplantaision prohibition, we have fore some time, are we fore exampel personaly responsibel fore our akts, when the day is here, or can we say, we only follow what the gb say.. this is a very tricky qestion who i think about a lot

happy man

hello U

i think you have make a vrey bigg work to find evry smaler o bigger wrong thing in Jw religon, however when i read this as you have said in a forme topic.

#I believe that when they die, everyone who rejects Jesus Christ will end up spending Eternity separated from Jesus Christ in Hell (whether Hell is a Fiery Place of Torment or not, I'm not sure, but I know I don't want to be there no matter what it is.#

I bee very disturbed, hade you never think about this dont look at the small things widh your fellow man when you have a bigg stock in your one eyes.

If you belive in hell, this is a very bigg sinn, belife that Jehova will torture evry man on earth who not are a beliver, is a much more and bigger sinn then all these things you count upp fore JW, i must say shame on you, and not in anger but in love, and I hope you never more look on this smal things like change some word here and ther, when you in the same time say, thet your fellow mman must suffer fore ever when you are walking on streets of gold in heaven , this peopel who critisise us, fore smaler things and later tell thet they belife in this hellfire, are hyocrites, thats my wuie.

so i realy hope you cange your mind, before it is to late.

wid love from HM

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Loyalty to the truth

by happy man in

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at bokstudy yesterday , we talk of the diffrent things gb say, and who we must stand to this.. i tell that they are only peopel and have make some misstaks, as we can se , fore exampel in the proclaimers book, well the study leader say, we must shoe loyality to the gb, even iif it later show upp to bee wrong, it is very importat that we follow what they say.. this is a ver difficult area, ofcourse in our religion we can not have 6 million diffretn wuies, but if we follow evry word very carefull, are we then not follow man?.

what about if they say something who take your life, and later change this, who is responsibel, or even worse our kidds, who are resposibel if they die on such polyci, like the transplantaision prohibition, we have fore some time, are we fore exampel personaly responsibel fore our akts, when the day is here, or can we say, we only follow what the gb say.. this is a very tricky qestion who i think about a lot

happy man

Hello

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Loyalty to the truth

by happy man in

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at bokstudy yesterday , we talk of the diffrent things gb say, and who we must stand to this.. i tell that they are only peopel and have make some misstaks, as we can se , fore exampel in the proclaimers book, well the study leader say, we must shoe loyality to the gb, even iif it later show upp to bee wrong, it is very importat that we follow what they say.. this is a ver difficult area, ofcourse in our religion we can not have 6 million diffretn wuies, but if we follow evry word very carefull, are we then not follow man?.

what about if they say something who take your life, and later change this, who is responsibel, or even worse our kidds, who are resposibel if they die on such polyci, like the transplantaision prohibition, we have fore some time, are we fore exampel personaly responsibel fore our akts, when the day is here, or can we say, we only follow what the gb say.. this is a very tricky qestion who i think about a lot

happy man

I put in the same mesege on a JW board, i dont want to say wich one, but here is the answer i get:,

These are extreme and rare hypothetical situations. The real question is "how do these relate to our faith and the rest of the GB's directions"?

For example. Just because the decision may be questionable in that EXTREME situation, does that mean all the OTHER directions recieved from the GB should be questioned? No. So casting doubt on one direction of the GB does NOT cast doubt on them all.

Should you stop preaching because the GB made a wrong decision about some matter many years ago regarding a tenet that has since been corrected? Should you stop encouraging your fellow worshippers of Jehovah because the GB made a wrong and unrelated decision many years ago? Should you stop believing in the Kingdom? The Ransom? The paradise? Stop preaching about Jehovah? Jesus? Etc? NO!

Keep following the tenets of our faith. Continue recognizing that you now have wonderful truths about Jehovah, Jesus, the Kingdom, the earth, and your very own spiritual family, AND an opportunity to fulfill your christian duty by loving your neighbor through an organized preaching work and organized christian community BECAUSE the GB has taken the lead in proclaiming the Bible and organizing a grand community of christian preachers in line with the spirit's direction to the best of their ability.

Stop doubting the whole on the basis of a specific Extreme hypothetical situation. Hang in there

some comments on this answer, from an american elder i think, very intresting to after a long time, at last have acsess to aJW bord.

And dsgal, the difficult words i look upp in a book, thats why they are better.

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Loyalty to the truth

by happy man in

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at bokstudy yesterday , we talk of the diffrent things gb say, and who we must stand to this.. i tell that they are only peopel and have make some misstaks, as we can se , fore exampel in the proclaimers book, well the study leader say, we must shoe loyality to the gb, even iif it later show upp to bee wrong, it is very importat that we follow what they say.. this is a ver difficult area, ofcourse in our religion we can not have 6 million diffretn wuies, but if we follow evry word very carefull, are we then not follow man?.

what about if they say something who take your life, and later change this, who is responsibel, or even worse our kidds, who are resposibel if they die on such polyci, like the transplantaision prohibition, we have fore some time, are we fore exampel personaly responsibel fore our akts, when the day is here, or can we say, we only follow what the gb say.. this is a very tricky qestion who i think about a lot

happy man

minimus, ha, ha, your funny arent you?

It was intresting to look at the reaktion from the audiens when he made this comment, it was like a bomb, some very bigg eyes, i made a comment to see what he going to say, beaucuase this man is one of this who have very hard ruels and , and very littel thing is very important fore him to obey.

Never cuold i expekt this answer, i think some was littel disturbd, my dotter fore exampel who say to mee after the meting, 13 years old, now you understan why i dont want this crap, not so easy to be father today , or what do you say minimus?

In some way I must take this ball upp, sayin, even if it is wrong we must obeyd, is not so cleaver i think.

I read on some place that in a court in the 50 ties, Gb say something like this, but i dont now exatly what it was?

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Loyalty to the truth

by happy man in

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at bokstudy yesterday , we talk of the diffrent things gb say, and who we must stand to this.. i tell that they are only peopel and have make some misstaks, as we can se , fore exampel in the proclaimers book, well the study leader say, we must shoe loyality to the gb, even iif it later show upp to bee wrong, it is very importat that we follow what they say.. this is a ver difficult area, ofcourse in our religion we can not have 6 million diffretn wuies, but if we follow evry word very carefull, are we then not follow man?.

what about if they say something who take your life, and later change this, who is responsibel, or even worse our kidds, who are resposibel if they die on such polyci, like the transplantaision prohibition, we have fore some time, are we fore exampel personaly responsibel fore our akts, when the day is here, or can we say, we only follow what the gb say.. this is a very tricky qestion who i think about a lot

happy man

At bokstudy yesterday , we talk of the diffrent things GB say, and who we must stand to this.

I tell that they are only peopel and have make some misstaks, as we can se , fore exampel in the proclaimers book, well the study leader say, we must shoe loyality to the Gb, even iif it later show upp to bee wrong, it is very importat that we follow what they say.

This is a ver difficult area, ofcourse in our religion we can not have 6 million diffretn wuies, but if we follow evry word very carefull, are we then not follow man?

What about if they say something who take your life, and later change this, who is responsibel, or even worse our kidds, who are resposibel if they die on such polyci, like the transplantaision prohibition, we have fore some time, are we fore exampel personaly responsibel fore our akts, when the day is here, or can we say, we only follow what the GB say.

This is a very tricky qestion who I think about a lot

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Bush , Modern Jehu

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when i read this stuff, i think perhaps he think he is a moderns jehu, who going to take care of all eveal things on earth, like saddam.. bush and white house staff workers have bible study: president bush talks openly and proudly about his active spiritual faith, and 25-55 of the 1700 white house staffer workers meet weekly at hour-long prayer and bible study sessions which bush aides organized before he became president of the usa.

one group meets during lunch hour tuesdays, the other on thursdays.

attendance is voluntary and although christian, non-christians are welcome.

happy man

when i read this stuff, i think perhaps he think he is a moderns jehu, who going to take care of all eveal things on earth, like Saddam.

BUSH AND WHITE HOUSE STAFF WORKERS HAVE BIBLE STUDY: President Bush talks openly and proudly about his active spiritual faith, and 25-55 of the 1700 White House staffer workers meet weekly at hour-long prayer and Bible study sessions which Bush aides organized before he became President of the USA. One group meets during lunch hour Tuesdays, the other on Thursdays. Attendance is voluntary and although Christian, non-Christians are welcome. Bush begins the day on his knees in prayer, reads the Bible each morning and studies a Bible lesson daily. In 1985 a conversation with Baptist preacher Billy Graham animated Bush to renew his faith which he has said helped him quit drinking at age 40.

I have littel problems in my stummage when i read this, isnt this man very dangerus?

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Watchtower Leadership: Myth and Reality

by metatron in

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"faithful and discreet slave", "anointed remnant".

these phrases have been used across decades to trigger unthinking obedience from.

millions of jw's.

happy man

Wery intresting JT, i must tell you I who was one of the boys who never pionjired, and never was on bethel, Me and my friends have the opposite feeling, we feel sorry fore this ones who goes to B, fore me it was like living in a jail, and we have so funny, working make some money, service on satterdays, 10-15 hours evry month, and i was servant as a very young man, and elder when i was 30.

but I think your wuie is intresting, you se evrything from your one point of wuie.

you say , littel did i know 9-11 would do what it did?????

i dont understand what you want to say?

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We Left the WT After 25 Faithful Years....

by Tower Man in

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you can listen to an mp3 of bob & amy gray's personal story of why they left the watchtower.

they gave this talk last year at the annual witnesses now for jesus convention.

by the way, the convention is this weekend in pa. check our support page for details including a list of speakers.. anyway, the link to bob & amy's testimony is http://www.towertotruth.net/audio.htm.

happy man

I can understand if someone leave his religion, as we se here of diffrent reasons.

But i have very difficult to understand someone who leave us and go to this new born Christians, who belive in hell, and all this mess. From smok to fire as I se it.

I have discuss this endless in my service in sweden, and try to tell this peopel that a loving God not can pain peopel fore ever in a hott place. fore me this is hypocrysi.

when i listen to a lot of this tapes, and i have, i dont like this arrogant and scornfull attitud some of them have, they treated us like we where some sort of dirt, who they can joke with and the audience are laughfing very nasty, not so loving as they say they are.

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Do You Ever "MISS" Being A JW, Elder,...

by minimus in

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i recently was told by a couple of elders how much they "missed" me since i am no longer an elder.

i got to thinking , "did i miss anything because i'm not an elder?".

i have to say that i really can't think of anything that i truly miss.

happy man

I was an liberal elder in my 20 year, always trying to fight the law man, who think this smal laws was so important, never forget when we have an Co who was so angry that i dont have peopel to sitt on the first chairs when i give them addvise in school, he say if you dont obey we will putt you out from your position, I say yes do that, i dont think thisis important issu fore me,they can sitt where they want, and I was winning he gave upp.

Then we have a very harde CO famus fore hes hardness, he started a eldermeeting widh heavy aqcusses on our young peopel, and I say to him, why you so hard to young ones, look fore this who made several konkurses it is also a sinn, but nowan care, and that was it, some time later i was told to get of, and take care of my famyli, i have two children who not was JW.

When i read all this stuff about abuse i think it is very nice to not be an elder anymore, in our cong it is only old ones now,most of the yonuger have stepp down.

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What "Two Witness" Rule?

by Amazing in

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someone please show me where the watchtower society has stated, in cases of serious sin, the rule that requires "two witnesse" to the event or act!

at best, one or two witnesses are preferred!

period ... but if there are no witnesses, then other evidence can be presented to witnesses or the elders.

happy man

well one thing is clear, two wittneses are not always ask fore, i also now several cases when young peopel was dfd fore minor things, despite they deniy things. this is my point of wiue.

Inn many congs there have be trubbel widh young peopel, and in this cases they have not be so accurate widh the evedense, the most important issu have be to show exampel, if you understand what I mean , they feel they must do something, and they think the young hide what they do, and not are hounest. this is a bigg diffrence from if some elder is accused fore terribel sexual abuse, if someone do this they defently want 2 wittneses, i myself think the youngsters have been hunted and take blame fore a lot of other bad things, they was the weekest part of the cong, and easyst to blame, and if they do they show the cong, look we are doing something.

I am sad to say that I hacve seen this myself, ans i think it is a very easy way , and i also think it show how peopel are not so perfekt even if they ared in a judging position. but as the bibel say, they shall have an so much harder judgment on the DAY.